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Table of Contents
                            Half Title
1  Histories
2  The System
3  What is White Privilege?
4  Fear of a Black Planet
5  The Feminism Question
6  Race and Class
7  There’s No Justice, There’s Just Us
A Note on the Author
Copyright Page
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create a story of the embattled indigenous white British, under siege from
immigration. Around the same time the English Defence League were marching
through my university town, a group of my friends crowded into my student
bedroom to watch former British National Party leader Nick Griffin on BBC

. I watched in disbelief as he said: ‘No one here would dare go to
New Zealand and say to a Maori “what do you mean indigenous?” You wouldn’t
dare go to North America and say to an American Red Indian “what do you
mean indigenous? We’re all the same.”’ He continued: ‘The indigenous people
of these islands, the English, the Scots, the Irish and the Welsh . . . it’s the
people who have been here overwhelmingly for the last 17,000 years. We are the
aboriginals here . . . The simple fact is that the majority of the British people are
descended from people who’ve lived here since time immemorial. It’s
extraordinarily racist, it is genuinely racist when you seek to deny the English.
You people wouldn’t even let us have our name on the census form. That is
racism. And that’s why people are voting British National Party.’
It seemed to be that for Nick Griffin, accommodating difference was akin to

erasing white Britishness. The comfort of white privilege blinds him to the fact
that he is part of the majority and that he is . In his

monologue, Griffin appealed to that British sense of fairness to conjure
images of an embattled white minority under attack, losing control of their
heritage and culture. Even more insultingly, he used the struggles of black and
brown people who were colonised, raped and beaten by white British people to
preserve white British culture.
Because of British defamation laws, you can get into hot water if you publish

something that harshly criticises someone without giving them the right to reply
in the same piece of work. I think that a book detailing British racism would be
remiss to overlook the vast influence Nick Griffin and the British National Party
has had in how we talk about race today. So I found myself in the position of
trying to get in contact with Nick Griffin, a man who, throughout my lifetime,
has openly attacked the idea of people like me being British, and who
represented a party that held policies stating that my mixed-race family is an
Having been in the same position a few years before me, an editor I work with

gave me his address. I wrote Mr Griffin a letter. He replied the next day,
agreeing to speak to me. I suggested meeting at my publisher’s offices. He
declined, saying he hardly ever goes to London, as it’s ‘largely a foreign
country’. We agreed to speak on the phone the next day.
I was very worried throughout this whole process, but I chose to use my own

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mobile number to call him, in an effort to be as open and honest as possible. I
needed the interview, after all, and acting suspicious or withholding information
was not going to help with that. But I’d handed over my personal phone number
to one of the most infamous British far-right leaders in the last fifty years. If he
so wished, he could make my life a living hell with a few keystrokes. He could
choose to post my number online. I knew it was something he’d done before –
posting the address of a gay couple online back in 2012.8 My only security was
that we both had something over each other – I had his number and email
address. So I took the risk. Our conversation was so surreal that I publish it here
in full.

REL: Back in 2009, you said something along the lines that white British
people are an ethnic minority in Britain. Do you still think that?
NG: Not are. Will become.

Why do you think white people will become an ethnic minority in Britain,
It’s simply a demographic fact. If you want to go and look, I’d look at Professor
Coleman from Oxford University. He’s probably Britain’s leading demographer.
Using government figures, not my figures, he said some years ago we’d be a
minority in our own country by the end of this century at the latest. That was at
present trends, but of course, present trends have got worse. So there’s simply no
doubt about it. Not just Britain, but the whole of Western Europe.

But currently in Britain, 81.9 per cent of the population is white British,
don’t you think that’s a bit far-fetched?
No, that’s how demographics works. The British population is very large
compared to the others, you’re right. But if you look at the age differences
between the populations, and the British population is significantly made up of
two waves of baby boomers who, over the next twenty years, are going to die off
at an incredible rate . . . It’s going to go up. Whereas the age profile of a number
of the immigrant populations is much younger, therefore they’ll have more
children. You’re not arguing with me, you need to go and argue with Professor
Coleman. He’s a leading demographer in the world, and you and I aren’t. What
he says is true. There’s really no doubt about it.

Why do you think that his projections are bad news, then?
I regard that as a racist question. Because no white person would dare to go to,
say, Nigeria, if Nigeria was being flooded with Chinese, and say ‘Why do you
think it’s a bad idea that Nigeria should cease to be Nigeria?’ It’s self-evident

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