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Conversation With Foster Hibbard







"Recognize that you are unique in all eternity...You are one of a
kind!...there is nobody like you anywhere on Earth today, and
there never will be anybody like you in all eternity, because the
Universe never duplicates itself. It all boils down to the fact that if
any one of us does not fulfill that purpose for which he or she was
placed on Earth, growth is slowed down because nobody can do
what you do, exactly the way you do it. Very simply, that means
that there is no competition"--Foster Hibbard











On Becoming Rich
A Coversation With Foster Hibbard
















*(Foster Hibbard was an associate of the late Dr. Napoleon
Hill who wrote the world-famous, "Think and Grow Rich."
Foster was also the Director of the Napoleon Hill Academy in
California. Please see author's note at end of article.)

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JH: We would like to discuss prosperity, Fost er. Most people believe that money is
extremely important. To some extent th ey also believe that they create the
circumstances surrounding them. Yet, how do you explain the many people around
us who appear to be doing everything po ssible to make ends meet, who seem to
have the proper attitudes and still they are having an extremely difficult time?

Foster: You said one word, John, that I think has a lot to do with it. The word is
"appear." You also mentioned that most people consider money very important.
Perhaps they consider it important but I want to draw a fine line and say that
perhaps they feel it's important but they do n't place an importance upon it. You see,
anything in life upon which you place an im portance causes an energy to go out of
you to magnetize and draw to you the ve ry thing you place the importance on.
Concerning money, individuals who place adequate enthusiasm and importance on it
start thinking the things, doing the things and attracting the things and people that
result in money. Others have the feeling that although money is important, they do
not deserve it and if they do not deserve it, they do not get it.

JH: Are you speaking about self-esteem?

Foster: Yes. I am definitely talking about self-esteem. That's what it boils down to.
The individual with low self-esteem isn't go ing to attract anything more than a mere
sustenance, nothing mo re than mediocrity.

JH: So, you are saying that one of the blocks to prosperity is a poor or non-existent
self-esteem?

Foster: Just call it low self-esteem.

JH: How do you think that happened? So me of these people are extremely
successful in certain areas of their lives.

Foster: Some are brilliant and some of them ha ve degrees that go on forever after
their names and yet they have no money.

JH: Please explain.

Foster: In many instances low self-esteem came from their upbringing. For most
males it is extremely difficult to exceed th e father, even though the father is long
dead. It does not seem to matter if their fathers may have done fairly well , or
perhaps, just average. There is the feeling as if the father is in some way with them
and if they exceed their father, their fath er may not love them any longer, which is
of course absurd, but extremely valid. So th ey will do everything imaginable to short
circuit themselves. They will study, listen to tapes and go to seminars. They will buy
every book available on success and prosperi ty and they'll start moving in the right
direction. And then, when it starts falling into place, they will do something to short-
circuit the whole thing so that they won't have the responsibility that comes with
greater affluence and they won't offend or displease a living or a dead father. Of
course, there are many exceptions to this.

JH: Since most people are not aware of th ese things, they must be deep in the
subconscious.

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Foster: Oh, very deep in the subconsciou s but the effect, nevertheless, is
devastating.

JH: Are there other obstacles that are very apparent to you?

Foster: The number one block , as I see it, is guilt. Guilt has one message deep,
deep within, so deep that you don't hear it consciously, but it is constantly saying
throughout a lifetime, "You don't deserve, you don't deserve." This is guilt's only
message. There are no others. Just as the dr ip, drip, drip of water could wear away a
rock, the repetition of an idea imbeds it into the subconscious mind and it gradually
takes over. Can you imagine, John, that on e brief sentence, "You don't deserve, you
don't deserve," all day, every day, week in , week out, month in, month out, year in,
year out and on and on, how it builds in th e individual? That pers on, therefore, won't
make the effort. Or, if the effort is made, the feeling of, "I don' t deserve" prevents
the accomplishments possible.

JH: Don't you think that there are many other reasons just as important for a lack of
money besides guilt? Also, ho w do we deal with guilt?

Foster: No. I think that the number one reason is guilt, I really do. And I am totally
convinced by all the studying and research I have done since the age of eight (now
being 64, that means 56 years) on mind at titudes etc., that the greatest personal
proof and technique ever to come down through 6000 years of recorded history is
"forgiveness."

JH: Forgiveness? Did I hear you say, "forgiveness?"

Foster: Yes. Forgiveness is like a roto-rooter. It will rid the subconscious mind of a
lifetime of accumulated negativities. This will permit a flow from within of love,
praise, joy, gratitude and enthusiasm and th e gates of guilt cannot stand up to this
mighty flow. Yes, John. Forgiveness of se lf, forgiveness of all others. Forgiveness
done in a silent manner will work itself th rough fear, anger, rese ntment, irritability,
guilt or any negative you can think of. At the moment, we happen to be speaking
about guilt. Forgiveness is the answer.

JH: How strange, Foster. We started talkin g about money and we end up discussing
some very spiritual things like love, joy and forgiveness.

Foster: We are still talking about money even though it doesn't sound like it. Money,
you see, is God in action. God, as you kn ow better than most people, John, is all
there is in the universe. There is nothing th at is not God. Therefore, money couldn't
possibly be the one exception in the uni verse that is not God. And I like the
expression, "Money is God in action," because money is energy, money creates,
money builds everything that has ever been built. Furthermore, and I like this,
money is freedom, freedom to do, freedom to be and freedom to have what you
want when you want it.

JH: So, we find that true spirituality is more than just happiness, love etc. It even
ties in to money. What is it, Foster, that transforms money from the invisible to the
visible?

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Foster: Loving service to other human beings. When we give loving service, it is
spirit that flows through us into the world, then returns to the place from whence it
came in the form of physicality or money. So, when money comes to me I know that
it is my own energy that went out in the form of loving service coming back to me.
It's my money, my children returning ho me. Or, in other words, my own energy
transformed into matter.

JH: How do you relate giving loving service to giving to charity or helping others by
giving money?

Foster: I was talking about giving service in your own business or profession and I
see giving as another form of the same thin g. In putting out loving service, there is
an expectancy of money coming back. That expectation is extremely necessary
because expectancy is a magnet that draws to you whatever you are expecting.
Giving is like planting a seed. The farmer st ands in his field and gives the seed to the
soil and he expects a manifold return in the form of a harvest. Similarly, giving
money is like planting "money seeds." It doesn't matter whether you are giving to a
church, a charity, a brother, a human bein g standing on the st reet corner or a
panhandler, because, all is universal, all is one great soil waiting for the seeds.

JH: There is a Catch-22 here, Foster. I ha ve met many people who say that when
they get more they will give. Isn't it the other way around?

Foster: Precisely so. When you are worst off fina ncially is when you most need to be
giving, even if it's only the widow's mite. Whatever amount you have, give some of
it.

JH: This seems to be simplicity itself. Is it really that simple, Foster?

Foster: Yes, very definitely. I've never seen it fail. NEVER. As the individual
increases his giving and loving service, he gets a larger return of money. It's like the
farmer. The more seeds he puts in the soil, the larger his crop.

JH: Why then do more people not follow this process?

Foster: Because most people think, "This is al l the money I have, and if I give some,
I will have less. Seeds? I can always go to the seed store and buy more seeds, that's
no big deal. But money? Take anyt hing but don't take my money."

JH: Simple, but not easy. Foster, I underst and that you are one of the very few
people who spent time with the famous Dr. Napoleon Hill. Is this correct?

Foster: Yes. I believe I am the last person on earth still on the lecture platform who
was associated with Napoleon Hill.

JH: Many of us have read his world-wide best-seller, Think and Grow Rich. I
personally know a number of people who became millionaires by following the
principles that Dr. Hill set down in his book. What were some of the wealth-creating
secrets he told you? Or did you ju st pick them up from his book?

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Foster: No. They were identical because he lived and taught exactl y what was in the
book. He spoke of the truly simple ways to become rich. In my lectures and tape
series I have explained his teachings and ha ve tried to make them more practical for
today's generation.

JH: Would you say that Napoleon Hill has had a profound effect on your life?

Foster: An enormous effect. The teachings that have influenced me most in life are,
first, those of Jesus and then secondly, Napoleon Hill. Hill was a twenty year prodigy
of the world's first billionai re, Andrew Carnegie. Napoleon Hill worked for Andrew
Carnegie for those twenty years. Then I be came associated with Napoleon Hill, so I
have to bill myself as the Andrew Carnegie-Napoleon Hill connection! And it is my
great responsibility, as I see it, to continue to proliferate these ideas.

JH: Foster, there are certain unique things about you that I and others who know
you truly admire. Here you are, thousands of miles from home sharing your time and
wisdom with me. I think I am pretty close to the truth when I say that it doesn't
appear that you need to work for a living. Why then, do you keep travelling and
teaching?

Foster: Well, it's true that I do not need to work for a living but I strongly feel that
when someone has a talent, either one he was born with or one he developed over
the years, he has an enormous responsibility to share that talent. I am a collector of
ideas. Since the age of eight, I have been collecting ideas and I feel it is a sacred
trust to get those ideas out where they can be heard and used by tens of thousands
of people. Then, it's their responsibility to use them or not to use them, but I've
done my part.

JH: When you were a very young man, di d you use the "Law of Expectation"?

Foster: Yes. In twelve years of public school, I was expecting to get high grades and
I got all A's. Then I was expecting to go to a fine preparator y school and I did. I
graduated a year after our former president, George Bush. He was in the same prep
school as I. Of course, I was expecting to go to a fine university and so I went to
Yale. I expected to do well in everything but I also worked extremely hard. I gave
tremendous energy to whatever I wanted. Work for whatever you want and expect
to get it.

JH: Foster, you certainly have had an impre ssive body of friends and acquaintances.
For example, president George Bush. Are there others whom we may recognize?

Foster: Oh, in my dormitory alone in prep school , in addition to George Bush were
Jack Lemmon, the movie actor, Do Pabst of Pabst Beer, John Ford, the grandson of
Henry Ford. Then there was Tom Sarnoff whose father was General David Sarnoff,
Chairman of the board of RC A. There was a Rockefeller, a Harris and so it went on
and on. And there I was, a hick from th e sticks, having two dollars a week in
spending money, while they had unlimited wealth.

JH: Would you say that your association with such successful people might have
been one of the keys to your success? Af ter all, if you fly with eagles, you will
become like an eagle.

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